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Question and Answer |
| 05/29/07 |
Q |
How do we report AT records for students who attend on a shortened schedule for a portion of the school year? (those we will be reporting on the AD report). Should we reduce their days attended in a similar way as we do the KG students?
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Report the days as attended the student is receiving instruction. Local decision would constitute a 1/2 day. Report the rest of the days as excused absences since the student is on a shortened schedule. |
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| 05/11/07 |
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I am running the trial DOE-AT Attendance and coming up with a problem on a student.
If you do a look up and go to attendance history - it shows him as being at school 9134 all year. He was actually with us 08/15/06 to 12/22/06. Then came back 05/03/2007 and is still here. Why does it not show that he ever left? When I go in to the conflict resolution there is no where for me to put in correct dates because it acts like he was here all year. What do I need to do? |
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This is just a trial. Correct your records locally, remove the conflict in the application center, and then when you submit during the collection period the data will be submitted accurately.
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| 10/30/06 |
Q |
We have several Hispanic students that leave on vacation to Mexico for two weeks or more. How do we mark them so they do not count against our attendance? Can we withdraw them and then re-enroll them when they return? |
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This method does not seem to be consistent with the intent of the law, especially where the LEA knows the students are not withdrawing. This is not the only circumstance where this problem occurs. We have several faith traditions that hold their all-family meetings in the middle of October. Rather than engage in this scheme, use of recent legislation is recommended: IC 20-33-2-17.5.
The statute reads as follows:
IC 20-33-2-17.5 Compulsory school attendance; exceptions; educationally related non classroom activity; non classroom activity
Sec. 17.5. The governing body of a school corporation may authorize the absence and excuse of a student who attends any educationally related non classroom activity. Any educationally related non classroom activity and non classroom activity must meet all the following conditions:
(1) Is consistent with and promotes the educational philosophy and goals of the school corporation and the state board.
(2) Facilitates the attainment of specific educational objectives.
(3) Is a part of the goals and objectives of an approved course or curriculum.
(4) Represents a unique educational opportunity.
(5) Cannot reasonably occur without interrupting the school day.
(6) Is approved in writing by the school principal.
As added by P.L.185-2006, SEC.14. |
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| 10/30/06 |
Q |
A student is incarcerated. Do we have to mark them excused if they are getting work or if they are attending the facilities' school? Can we count them as present if they are completing the work? |
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A |
Unless the LEA is providing the instruction at the detention center, the student is not in attendance at the LEA. Completing homework does not constitute educational services. To be counted as in attendance, a student must be receiving instruction from a licensed teacher. |
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| 10/30/06 |
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A student is hospitalized for an indefinite period of time. Do we have to mark them medical-excused if they are receiving homework from their teachers? Or can we count them as present since they are completing the work? |
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Receiving homework from teachers is not the same as homebound. The student would not be in attendance. To be in attendance, the student would need to receive instruction from a licensed teacher. The LEA can provide the instruction, either directly or through a third party by contract/agreement. Under this circumstance, the student would be in attendance. See 511 IAC 7-27-11. |
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| 07/12/06 |
Q |
Please explain the AT warning and Error on determining number of days allowed and how they are calculated. |
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A |
Enrollment days: Days Attended + Days Excused Absence + Days Unexcused Absence
Allowable days: Number of weekdays (minus days for Christmas and Spring breaks) between Begin date and End date if this number is less than total instructional days reported on CID, otherwise allowable days are equal to total instructional days.
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Error: "There are not enough days between 'Begin Date' and 'End Date' to report X days of attendance and Y days of absence.
Cause: Enrollment days greater than Allowable days
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Warning: "There are too many days between 'Begin Date' and 'End Date' to report only X days of attendance and Y days of absence. Please examine this record to ensure the student was suspended, expelled, or has some other valid reason for the missing days. Otherwise, please split the record into multiple records."
Cause: If the number of Allowable days is greater than 5 and less than or equal 30 and number of Enrollment days is less than 50% of allowable days.
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If the number of Allowable days is greater than 30 and number of Enrollment days is less than 75% of allowable days
*Note: For KG and PK grades, Enrollment days are doubled (if this doubled amount is less than allowable days) when checking for the above warning. |
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| 06/13/06 |
Q |
I am getting this warning message on my DOE-AT file:
This student was reported to be in attendance at school 3004 on October 1st 2005 but no Pupil Enrollment record was found in the same school.
What should I do about it? |
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Warnings will not cause your file or record to be rejected. They are generated by the Application Center when you have submitted information that is unusual or in conflict with previously submitted data. In this instance, a student was reported in the Attendance (DOE-AT) data file as being a student at school 3004 last October 1st. If this was the case, the student should have been reported for the Pupil Enrollment count (in last October's DOE-PS1 data submission), but was not.
What you should do about this warning:
- Re-check the AT records that got warnings to assure that the information currently being submitted is correct. If the information is incorrect, make appropriate changes and resubmit it (or edit the record in the AT Input form or "Student Detail" screen).
- If the information is correct, put a note in your records indicating that these items were checked and found to be correct. (The data file will continue to have the warnings associated with it in our system, so it is good to have documentation that the records were reviewed in case there is ever any question.)
- The Pupil Enrollment data is closed for this year, so those records can no longer be changed. However, you should consider ways to avoid omitting Pupil Enrollment records in next October's DOE-PE collection.
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| 06/13/06 |
Q |
How should we count a student who a doctor completes a “Certificate of Incapacity” in the school attendance code? I had a severe and profound student that was only able to attend a full week of school 6 weeks during the entire school year. He is in a degenerative state and when at home, unable to receive homebound services. Usually not in attendance an average of 2 days per week. Does this count against our school attendance? |
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The certificate would be needed for the child that was hospitalized to clarify the prognosis of the condition and help define what treatment is necessary by the school. It does not excuse absence but shoud help define what the conditions are. The child might be eligible for the Homebound program and if that is the case, once on it the times away from school are considered days in attendance if related to the disability.
Home bound rules are here: http://www.doe.in.gov/sservices/pdf/homebound.pdf |
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| 06/08/05 |
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In-School Suspension and Detention
Below are approved definitions necessary for the collection of the DOE-SU and DOE-AT.
In-School Suspension: Student is removed from an assigned class or activity to another setting in order to maintain an orderly and effective educational system. If instruction in the general education curriculum continues during this removal to another setting, the student is counted in attendance.
Detention: Student experiences disciplinary action at a time other than during instructional time in order to maintain an orderly and effective educational system. Because such actions do not occur during instructional time, attendance is not counted in reports to the state. |
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| 06/03/05 |
Q |
Do we count a student on homebound instruction as present on the AT report?
If a student had an extended illness and the parent did not complete the request for homebound instruction, is that student counted absent? |
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Homebound instruction under the provisions of Article 7 has a distinct requirement of a physician's statement. If the parent has not complied and you have not implemented a homebound program then the student is absent.
If the student is on homebound, then time away from school that is directly related to the disabling condition is considered in attendance in reports to the state. |
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| 04/12/05 |
Q |
Attendance at the alternative education
program |
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A |
If the students are still enrolled at their
high schools and the joint
alternative program is considered a program of each high school,
each high
school should report these students in attendance on the days
that they are
scheduled to attend and NOT record them as absent on days they
were not
scheduled to attend. (It is similar to how you report a student
who receives
homebound services 3 days a week.) Therefore, if alternative
ed students are
to attend 5 days a week for 4 hours (presuming a Shortened
School Day form
is filed with Accreditation) they would be in attendance for
5 days. If you
operate on Saturday, if a student missed a day and made up
the day on
Saturday, they would still be in attendance for 5 days. If
no days are
specified but students are to attend 20 hours a week and they
do, they would
be in attendance for 5 days. |
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Q |
What constitutes a "half
day" and a "full day". For example: If
a student is present 3 periods of an 8 period day, are
they present for half day and absent a half day?
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Yes, the student would be counted present
for a half day and absent a half day because it was determined
locally, that lunch time is the half day point. The following
is the Indiana Administrative Code for computing your attendance
counts:
511 IAC 1-3-3 Average Daily Enrollment
Section 3
(b) Attendance shall be taken twice during each full student day, once in the
morning session and once in the afternoon session. A student in attendance
during any part of the day, up to and including one-half (1/2) of the day,
shall be counted as one-half (1/2). A student in attendance for more than one-half
(1/2) of the day shall be counted as one (1). A full student instructional
day shall be counted as one (1) in determining the number of student instructional
days in the regular school year.
(c) Attendance shall be taken once during each partial student instructional
day. A student in attendance during any part of the day shall be counted as
one-half (1/2). A partial student instructional day counts as one-half (1/2)
in determining the number of student instructional days in the regular school
year. |
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Q |
I am getting an error when I transfer
my DOE-AT file that says date is a required field. |
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BOS and EOS are taken from the corporation
calendar that was submitted to DOE prior to the beginning
of the school year. If we do not have a calendar for your
corporation you will get this error. For nonpublic schools:
When you send the DOE-AT report, please manually convert
the BOS and EOS to the exact dates of the beginning of school
and end of school. We cannot accept BOS and EOS because we
do not collect the calendar by school for non publics. |
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| 11/01/04 |
Q |
I
see that you are requesting a full day count on the ME
report. Will school year 2004-2005 DOE-AT report
submitted at the end of the year be figured by counting
students present a full day if they attend any part of
that day?
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DOE-AT data is still collected by 1/2
day counts. |
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| 07/26/04 |
Q |
Students
who live in our district but attend a special needs school
should be included in our PE report, but not our AT report,
is that correct? |
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No, that is not correct. The student
should be counted where they actually attend for both the
PE and the AT. |
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| 07/26/04 |
Q |
I
have discovered that a student listed in the AT should
not be in the AT because he lives in our district but
attended another school. How do I remove him?
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Do an STN Lookup and click on the 'Attendance'
tab. There should be a 'red X'
on the right-hand side of the screen. Click on the
'red X' to delete the incorrect
record. You can only delete the record if you were
the individual who sent the record or if you are a corporation
user. |
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| 07/14/04 |
Q |
I
have multiple records with the same "Failed Record" message: "The
value -.5 for days attended is not a positive multiple
of 0.5. All days attended values must greater than zero
and end in .0 or .5." Could someone check
my download and explain to me what that message is all
about? |
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A -.5 is says that you have reported a
negative 1/2 day of attendance. A student cannot have
a negative value for attendance. |
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| 06/28/04 |
Q |
I
have a school that has 189 instructional days. All
'AT' records get flagged as errors and won't load. What
do I do? |
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Your school calendar can be adjusted to
those dates if you will let us know what the school number
is that this involves. |
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| 06/28/04 |
Q |
We
have a student who attends a private school a half day
and then attends the career center the other half of
the day. We fund his half day at the career center. It
is my understanding (according to scenario #7) that since
he will receive his diploma, grades, etc from the private
school he attends that they are the "primary" school
and are responsible for reporting his entire AT record. Am
I correct? |
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That is correct. |
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| 06/25/04 |
Q |
The
student enrolled in our school on 04/27/04 and attended
the rest of the year. The school he came from already
submitted their AT Report and mistakenly reported that
the student was at their school the entire year. Do
I have to resolve this issue with the other school myself
or is this something you can handle at your end? |
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You will have to resolve the issue. |
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| 06/24/04 |
Q |
I
have 180 instructional days. I have a student who
was enrolled from the beginning of the school year to
the end of the school year. She had 3 excused
absences, 1 unexcused absence, and had 5 suspension
days. I would report Days Attended as 171, Excused
Days Absent as 3, and Unexcused Days Absent as 1. Is
this correct?? Thanks! |
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That is correct. |
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| 06/24/04 |
Q |
I
am getting warnings which say our last day of school
was 6/1/2004, but it wasn't. Where does the
state get the first/last day of school information from? How
can I get it corrected?
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We pulled the dates from the 2003-2004
school calendar that was submitted to us from your corporation
office. Please send your corporation number, begin and end
dates and we will update your calendar. |
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| 06/22/04 |
Q |
I
have a failed record after submitting my AT Report. This
record never should have been sent. Do I need to
somehow delete the record, or just notify you by fax
that the record was incorrect and never should have been
sent? |
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If the record 'failed' then it was never
loaded into the attendance data. You don't need to
do anything. |
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| 06/21/04 |
Q |
We
have a student that withdrew for a month and then returned
before the end of the year. How do we handle their
enrollment dates? |
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You will have two records for that student. One
from the first day of school until the time that the student
left and a second record for the date the student returned
until the end of the school year. |
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| 06/21/04 |
Q |
We
have a special education class that is ungraded at the
high school. What grade level do we report for
these students? |
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A |
Special Education students are to be placed
at the grade level that is age appropriate for that grade
level. |
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| 06/21/04 |
Q |
Regarding
Scenario #8: Are days attended + unexcused absent
+ excused absent matched with the enrolled (instructional)
days? If so, wouldn't days suspended (or expelled)
cause those numbers to be out of balance? |
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They will be out of balance but the days
will be picked-up on either the expulsion or suspension report
in the fall. |
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| 06/18/04 |
Q |
Getting
an error message that records overlap. Checked
the history which shows previous school shows attendance
through 9/12/03. Our attendance records for the
student begin 9/16/03. There is no overlap. What
do we do? |
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You should be checking the attendance,
not the history. Please check the beginning dates for
each of the students that are in question in the file that
you transferred to us. |
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| 06/18/04 |
Q |
What
do we do with students who transferred to another school
midway through the school year? Do we have to include
their attendance time in our attendance report?
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Yes, you do have to include their attendance. The
record will contain a beginning date of the first day that
the student started with you and the end date will be the
last day that the student attended your school. The
student should have two records, one from each school. |
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| 06/18/04 |
Q |
We
are having difficulty delineating excused and unexcused
absences. What is the definition of 'excused'
absence? If the excused absences are considered
days attended then why must we report them
at all? Would polls, pages, field trips be considered
excused absences? What about juvenile detention, guardian
home, homebound, religious instruction, hospital and
so forth? |
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'Unexcused absence'
means an absence from school that is not authorized by the
local school administrator or local school corporation rule
and is a violation of the IC 20-33-2-14, 15, 16 and 17. An out-of-school suspension is not an unexcused absence.
For pages, polls, etc. please see IC 20-33-2-14, 15, 16 and
17. |
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| 05/11/04 |
Q |
A
student attended all day Kindergarten five days a week
and was present all week, are they counted as being here
5 days? |
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You would count the student just like
you would count any other student in grades 1-6. They would
be counted attended for 5 days and absent for 0 days for
that week. |
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| 05/12/04 |
Q |
I
have students that were enrolled in full day Kindergarten
for let's say 75% of the year, and then they went to
1/2 day Kindergarten. How do I calculate that? How do
I report their absences when they were in both full day
and half day throughout the year? |
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You would count the student as full day
(just like above) for the amount of time that they were in
the full day kindergarten and then switch to 1/2 day counting
when the student switched over to the 1/2 day kindergarten
program. If they were absent 4 full days while in the full
day program you would count that as 4 and then if they were
absent 3 half-days from the 1/2 day program that would be
counted as 1.5 giving them a total of 5.5 days absent for
the year. |
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| 05/12/04 |
Q |
Is
the formula for Days Attended meant to be (days enrolled
for this student - (days unexcused absent + days excused
absent))? |
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Yes, the student was enrolled the entire
year for 180 days, the student had no unexcused absences
and 5 days of excused absence. Days Attended = 175, Days
unexcused absent = 0, and days excused absence=5. |